SECOND

ENSEMBLE USER WORKSHOP

May 18-20, 2004, NCEP (room 707), Camp Springs, MD

PURPOSE

AGENDA

PARTICIPANTS

DISCUSSION THEMES

A/V FACILITIES FOR SPEAKERS

LOCAL AREA INFORMATION 
 

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PURPOSE OF WORKSHOP

The workshop is to provide a forum for user discussions about the following aspects of ensemble forecasting: configuration, data, post processing, products and training.


 
 

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AGENDA

Tuesday, May 18
 
8:00-8:30     Refreshments
8:30-8:45     Welcome remarks (Steve Lord, Director of EMC & Dave Caldwell, NCEP Director's Office)
8:45-8:50     Logistics (Z. Toth)
BASICS: Current Status & Plans
8:50-9:30    
 
Zoltan Toth
Global ensemble configuration & verification
9:30-10:10    
 
Jeff McQueen
Regional ensemble (SREF) configuration & verification
10:10-10:30      BREAK
10:30-11:00   
 
B. Gordon, Y. Zhu, J. Du
Ensemble data files (current & planned)
11:00-11:15    
 
J. Alpert
Ensemble data in NOMADS
11:15-12:05    
 
Z. Toth, P. Dallavalle
Statistical bias correction of ensembles: on a model grid & downscaling
12:05-12:15    
 
J. Du
Bias correcting low resolution ensembles based on information from the high resolution control forecast
12:15-1:15    
 
LUNCH
brought in, make selection by morning breaktime
1:15-1:45    
 
R. Wobus, Y. Zhu, B. Zhou
Derived products: Global, regional (current/planned & gridded/graphical)
1:45-2:05    
 
Dave Michaud
End-to-end operational implementation process
JOINT PROJECTS
2:05-2:30    

Zoltan Toth
Global - North American Ensemble Forecast System
2:30-2:55    

J. McQueen, N. Seaman
Regional - Northeast Energy Project & WRF applications - current and future use of ensembles
2:55-3:15     BREAK
APPLICATIONS: Current & Future Use of Ensembles I
3:15-3:40     AWC: Fred Mosher / NWS Aviation Services Branch: Mike Graf
3:40-4:05     SPC: Dave Bright
4:05-4:30     TPC: Rick Knabb
4:30-4:45   
 
OHD
Hydrologic applications
4:45-5:00     Discussion: identify key issues for tomorrow
5:00    
 
Adjourn for Dinner
arrangements TBD


Wednesday, May 19

7:30-8:00     Refreshments
APPLICATIONS: Current & Future Use of Ensembles II
8:00-8:25     HPC: Pete Manousos
8:25-8:50     OPC: Joseph Sienkiewicz
8:50-9:15     CPC: Ed O'Lenic
9:15-9:30     Western Region WFO: Jon Mittelstadt
9:30-9:45     RESERVED
9:45-10:05     BREAK
ENABLING TOOLS: For using and applying ensembles
10:05-10:35    
 
J. Mittlestadt, D. Ruth
Ensembles & NDFD / IFPS
10:35-11:00    
 
Z. Toth
Desired software capabilities (based on AWIPS Requirements White Paper RWP0036)
11:00-12:00    
 
S. Schotz and NCEP Service Center SOOs
Discussion on ensemble requirements in NAWIPS
12:00-1:00    
 
LUNCH
brought in, make selection by morning breaktime
DISCUSSION: current status, potential improvements, recommendations
     Topic: Ensemble configuration          Leaders: J. Du, M. Wei
     Topic: Ensemble data                       Leaders: B. Gordon, Y. Zhu
     Topic: Post processing                     Leaders: P. Dallavalle, Z. Toth
     Topic: Products, training                  Leaders: J. McQueen
1:00-1:10   
 
Charge to working groups
D. Caldwell, Z. Toth
1:10-3:00     Working group (4) discussions
3:00-3:15     BREAK
3:15-4:15     Plenary session: working group reports                Group Leaders
4:15-5:00     Summarize results, ID issues, agree on action plan, assignments
5:00     Adjourn


Thursday, May 20

9:00-12:00     Prepare draft workshop report        Group Leaders only
12:00 Adjourn


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PARTICIPANTS

Mark Antolik OST
David Bright SPC/SSB
Keith Brill HPC
Paul DallavalleOST
Brent Gordon NCO
Michael Graf OCWWS/ASB
Mike Halpert CPC
Kathy Hughes OST
Paul Janish Entergy-Koch Trading (Houston)
Rick Knabb TPC
Arun Kumar CPC
Suzanne Lenihan OST/ Science Plans Branch
Andrew Loughe FSL/AD
Peter Manousos HPC
Daniel Melendez NOAA/NWS
Dave Michaud NCO
Jon Mittelstadt WFO/Pendleton
Fred Mosher AWC
Linnae Neyman NWS/Alaska Region
Minh Nguy Delinia Corp (Houston)
Ed O'Lenic CPC
Dave Plummer NCO
Pedro Restrepo OHD
Glenn Rolph NOAA/ARL
Steve Schotz NCO
Joseph Sienkiewicz  OPC
Barbara Stunder NOAA/ARL
Steve Tracton ONR
Dave Unger CPC

    EMC PARTICIPANTS

Hsuan Chen
JunDu
LaceyHolland
Ding-Chen  Hou
Geoff Manikin
JeffMcQueen
ZoltanToth
MozhengWei
DickWobus
BinBinZhou
Yuejian Zhu

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DISCUSSION THEMES

1) Ensemble Configuration:
         Resolution
         Number of members: are many needed or can we statistically interpolate/extrapolate?
         Multi-model approach
         Stochastic model pertubations
         Intial pertubations
         Multi-center ensemble approach
   
2) Ensemble Data:   (current & future storage/bandwidth)
         Low-resolution ensembles: is there a unique problem for ensembles?
         Trade-offs between resolution (& only selected variables) and number of members
         Who needs summary products; who needs output from all members?
         Could NWP have succeeded with strictly limited data access (only a few fields)?
         Balance between accepting constraints and striving for optimal future capability
                  * Add low resolution anomaly forecasts to high-res climate?
                  * Formats: Pgrib, Thinned Pgrib, Grib2, Different Map Projections, Gempak
                  * Users: NCEP Service Centers, AWIPS, ftp sites (public & commercial users)
   
3) Post Processing:
         Bias types:
                  * Expected value (first moment)
                  * Spread (second moment)
                  * Temporal variations in spread
         Method types:
                  * Regression
                  * Kalman filter
                  * Neural net
                  * Baysean
         Sample size:
                  * Function of (bias) signal vs. (random initial error) noise ratio
                  ** Adaptive, short training period for short lead times, longer, climate type sample for longer lead times?
         Output:
                  * Model variables/grid
                  * Downscaled/new variables (NDFD and/or sites)
         Where to apply: centrally or locally?
   
4) Products & Training:
         Prepared products vs. Interactive access to ensemble data: who needs what?
                  * NCEP Service Centers, WFOs, Public Servers (ftp, web)?
         Which prepared products most often used?
         Interactive tool set:
                  * What’s needed? Use AWIPS recommendation as starting point
                  * Who develops it?
                  * On what platform (AWIPS, NAWIPS, web, other)?
                  * Can same set of applications be used on different platforms?
         Data access vs. training:
                  * Will limits to data access also limit spread of new ensemble methods?
         Formal training:
                  * COMET
                  * NCEP Service Centers
                  * EMC Predictability meeting: should it be a telecon?
                  * Public - media


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A/V FACILITIES FOR SPEAKERS

The meeting room will be equipped with one overhead projector and a computer supporting electronic presentations (Web, Microsoft, etc).

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LOCAL AREA INFORMATION

DC Metro Area Airports & Hotels
Maps for Metro-system Users: National Airport Metro Station
  Old Town Alexandria & Metro
  Old Town Alexandria Hotels
Hotel websites Old Town Alexandria Area
  Colony South Hotel


 
 

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